{"id":2390,"date":"2022-05-20T16:15:20","date_gmt":"2022-05-20T15:15:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.steflenk.com\/wordpress\/?p=2390"},"modified":"2023-07-28T13:25:05","modified_gmt":"2023-07-28T12:25:05","slug":"taboosymposium_religion2point0","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.steflenk.com\/wordpress\/taboosymposium_religion2point0\/","title":{"rendered":"taboo symposium 8 | religion 2.0 (?)"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"2390\" class=\"elementor elementor-2390\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-f388622 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"f388622\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-1f1821e\" data-id=\"1f1821e\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6e85829 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"6e85829\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t<style>\/*! elementor - v3.19.0 - 07-02-2024 *\/\n.elementor-widget-image{text-align:center}.elementor-widget-image a{display:inline-block}.elementor-widget-image a img[src$=\".svg\"]{width:48px}.elementor-widget-image img{vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block}<\/style>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.meetup.com\/taboosymposium\/events\/288709816\/\" target=\"_blank\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1139\" height=\"433\" src=\"https:\/\/www.steflenk.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TABOO_BANNERS_religion2_fb.jpg\" class=\"attachment-full size-full wp-image-3568\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.steflenk.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TABOO_BANNERS_religion2_fb.jpg 1139w, https:\/\/www.steflenk.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TABOO_BANNERS_religion2_fb-300x114.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.steflenk.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TABOO_BANNERS_religion2_fb-1024x389.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.steflenk.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TABOO_BANNERS_religion2_fb-768x292.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1139px) 100vw, 1139px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2ed19f8 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2ed19f8\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-9472e07\" data-id=\"9472e07\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8c88f0e elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"8c88f0e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t<style>\/*! elementor - v3.19.0 - 07-02-2024 *\/\n.elementor-heading-title{padding:0;margin:0;line-height:1}.elementor-widget-heading .elementor-heading-title[class*=elementor-size-]>a{color:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit}.elementor-widget-heading .elementor-heading-title.elementor-size-small{font-size:15px}.elementor-widget-heading .elementor-heading-title.elementor-size-medium{font-size:19px}.elementor-widget-heading .elementor-heading-title.elementor-size-large{font-size:29px}.elementor-widget-heading .elementor-heading-title.elementor-size-xl{font-size:39px}.elementor-widget-heading .elementor-heading-title.elementor-size-xxl{font-size:59px}<\/style><h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">the agenda<\/h2>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2b3e4a0 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2b3e4a0\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t<style>\/*! elementor - v3.19.0 - 07-02-2024 *\/\n.elementor-widget-text-editor.elementor-drop-cap-view-stacked .elementor-drop-cap{background-color:#69727d;color:#fff}.elementor-widget-text-editor.elementor-drop-cap-view-framed .elementor-drop-cap{color:#69727d;border:3px solid;background-color:transparent}.elementor-widget-text-editor:not(.elementor-drop-cap-view-default) .elementor-drop-cap{margin-top:8px}.elementor-widget-text-editor:not(.elementor-drop-cap-view-default) .elementor-drop-cap-letter{width:1em;height:1em}.elementor-widget-text-editor .elementor-drop-cap{float:left;text-align:center;line-height:1;font-size:50px}.elementor-widget-text-editor .elementor-drop-cap-letter{display:inline-block}<\/style>\t\t\t\t<p>Since God kicked it (as it were), those of us who didn&#8217;t believe in him\/her\/them anyhow have been provided with little else in the way of ritual and emotional consolation, except perhaps the endless selection of books on the self-help shelves of the (proverbial) local bookshop. Capitalism\u2019s attempt to address these very problems through buying STUFF (&#8220;this laptop will perfect your work\/life balance!&#8221;, &#8220;this app will get you laid!&#8221; etc.) doesn\u2019t quite fulfill its many promises to that end, either. And those of us who look to other individuals to address our emotional needs overlook the sad irony that not only is there no one-person solution to the complexity of human emotional fulfillment, but we rarely trust solutions provided by single individuals anyhow, relying often on thumbs up\/star\/review systems before we are willing to even contemplate making concrete life changes we didn&#8217;t come up with on our own.<\/p><p>Possible topics to bounce around:<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0Religion for atheists\u2028<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0Individuals vs. crowds: we all need to believe in something or someone, what happens when it\u2019s no longer ourselves?\u2028<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0growing up religious: the battle scars\u2028<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0growing up NON religious: the battle scars\u2028<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0the romanticism of heroes: do one-size-fits-all deities actually exist?\u2028<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0and really, has anyone actually read a HELPFUL self-help book on the subject of spiritual enlightenment?\u2028<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1a26860 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1a26860\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-3b63123\" data-id=\"3b63123\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-561f214 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elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"9d5e494\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">recommended reading<\/h2>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4959b75 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"4959b75\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/conversations\/2016\/10\/6\/13172608\/religion-lent-atheism-christianity-god-alain-de-botton\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Religion without God: Alain de Botton on &#8220;atheism 2.0.&#8221;<\/a> | Vox Online | Sean Illing<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/2018\/10\/30\/17936564\/new-atheism-religion-science-god-john-gray\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Why science can&#8217;t replace religion |<\/a> Vox Online | John Gray<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.apa.org\/news\/podcasts\/speaking-of-psychology\/religion-benefits.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Speaking of Psychology. What can science teach us about the benefits of religion <\/a>(podcast)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.meaningcrisis.co\/\">Awakening from the Meaning Crisis<\/a> | John Vervaeke<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Materialism#Criticism_and_alternatives\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Criticisms of materialism <\/a>(wikipedia entry)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Answer_to_Job\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Carl Jung&#8217;s Answer to Job<\/a> (wikipedia entry)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.anilseth.com\/being-you\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Being You<\/a> | Anil Seth<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/warwick.ac.uk\/fac\/cross_fac\/iatl\/study\/ugmodules\/humananimalstudies\/lectures\/32\/nagel_bat.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\"broken_link\">On Being a Bat<\/a> | Thomas Nagel<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/deconstructingyourself.com\/what-is-the-self-metzinger.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">What is the Self <\/a>| Thomas Metzinger<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.samharris.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sam Harris (neuroscientist)<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-6c37a86 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"6c37a86\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-f1c7902\" data-id=\"f1c7902\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-520902e elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"520902e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8e14725 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"8e14725\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">food for thought (bits'n'bobs from the evening's discussion) <\/h2>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1833dc3 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1833dc3\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-51797e6\" data-id=\"51797e6\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-bff9fc5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"bff9fc5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b>religion\u2026<\/b><br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0has been overtaken by science because it can no longer explain our world<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0is for those who need a higher power to believe or to blame<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0used to serve the why and the what (science however is only good at answering \u2018what\u2019 questions) <br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0at its apex hijacked culture, but does culture today offer what religion once did?<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0offers us a mother, a father, and the chance to be saved (delegating authority to a higher power also alleviates stress)<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0offers a dramatically intense story we can live through and survive<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0offers us the comfort of a ready explanation<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0promises justice<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0keeps people where they are (through the threat of exiling non-believers)<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0is effectively a limited case study (statistics)<\/p><p><b>religion (and interpretation)\u2026<\/b><br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0has 2-3000 years of interpretation slapped on top of it<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0are we asking too much from the stories? are we reading them wrong?<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0we (WWW*) interpret stories according to the hero narrative but what if the figures in the bible were not written as heroes? <br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0perhaps christianity started to support the slave power structure<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0perhaps abstinence in the new testament was popular with women who did not get to choose who to marry, and had to contend with one of three births ending in death<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0there is another way to read the story of Abraham, Sarah, Hagar &#8211; Sarah is infertile, so gives Abraham a sex slave (Hagar), Hagar is mistreated by Sarah and flees, and then is convinced by God to go back to what is in effect an abusive relationship, to bear them a child (like, REALLY?!?!)<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0Job is a rich guy, the devil convinces God to treat him terribly (ostensibly to prove his loyalty), Job wants to confront God but cannot physically find him, in the end he loses everything to an invisible deity (aka. for no palpable reason) <br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0this interpretation question also applies to other religious beliefs beyond christianity: ie. the myth of Sisyphus &#8211; tends to be read as a tale of endless torture, but from another perspective, Sisyphus has the strength and determination to continue to roll the rock up the hill every day<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0hinduism has an exact number of cycles of death and rebirths (how did they arrive at a number?)<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0only when you are in the human state do you have the chance to be one with god<\/p><p><b>religion (and society)\u2026<\/b><br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0gods were once multiple, and they corresponded with aspects of life<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0god of fertility, goddess of victory, goddess of beauty\/love<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0god of life, god of preservation, god of death<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0ie. Emiphra &#8211; the God of contracts<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0in early civilisations to trade one needed to have trust, so people found in religion a common set of values to help build that trust up.<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0politics is similiar &#8211; on the right: nationalism giving people something to die for \/ on the left: wokeism &#8211; zealotry\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0<br \/>(vs. science)\u2026<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0science cannot govern how we set up our social structures<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0one cannot derive ought statements from is statements<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0manipulating data happens in science (and in religion)<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2018science progresses one funeral at a time\u2019<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0sciences offers the pill &#8211; religion tells why you should take the pill<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0has blind spots much like the maps of the past<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0brains do not actually see what is in front of them they see what they believe is in front of them.<\/p><p><b>religion (and us)\u2026<\/b><br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0we have to be curious but know that many questions cannot be answered<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0in difficult situations the brain creates a mould of the world and then a model of onesself inside that world to help perform complex actions in the world.<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0one can\u2019t force people to be introspective<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0the solution is to learn to question<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0the desire to be a better human, taking our limitations into consideration<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0morals are built through building society not religion<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u2022\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0there\u2019s no way out for people without access to education unless one has \u2018alternative options\u2019 (ie. the internet, access to knowledge)<\/p><p><b>Last but not least: <i>we have an insane amount of privilege to be able to even sit here and question religion!<\/i><\/b><\/p><p>\u201ct<i>he reason for thinking is to avoid thinking<\/i>\u201d &#8211; Edward de Bono<\/p><p>*WWW (white western world)<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-3cea156 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"3cea156\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-e3f4b05\" data-id=\"e3f4b05\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3d26dfa elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"3d26dfa\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-685103e elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"685103e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">continuing the conversation...<\/h2>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>the agenda Since God kicked it (as it were), those of us who didn&#8217;t believe in him\/her\/them anyhow have been provided with little else in the way of ritual and emotional consolation, except perhaps the endless selection of books on the self-help shelves of the (proverbial) local bookshop. 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